Return-Path: Delivered-To: craig@dapaero.com Received: from gator4254.hostgator.com by gator4254.hostgator.com with LMTP id QEwfBLRH0WYzRQ4AcizydQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2024 23:16:52 -0500 Return-path: Envelope-to: craig@dapaero.com Delivery-date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 23:16:52 -0500 Received: from mail-io1-f48.google.com ([209.85.166.48]:53345) by gator4254.hostgator.com with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sjt47-00454S-1h for craig@dapaero.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2024 23:16:52 -0500 Received: by mail-io1-f48.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-82521c46feaso61892539f.2 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1724991400; x=1725596200; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=9y/XUe8spOAB8FzRKTGa55vzTOsw/s9gelC9AbreovY=; b=PuV/nJdjxIbhX34eLL+Y6B99/YWl5kHOPsFJFLfj10LDbb5W7KD1Q3vlAvSBzi+5Ld yBvPrLVgXf23NX2MOcMATpQ/xbCgno81QUIK41nJS5QGXLWhe3QfsvMy1GboO/oihAJ/ 3aFlmU+ODOsjBOleLMOkvifMAPvzG6McaIwmhRhQ7a9BO3iUCgh2MTuzgDGV3o9O8ye4 7+EnDWl/vhHEJhEBukBUD1OIF1soRR1CN8O/znEha0xoJtcCVcWKosBeKNLLRjOWwyuV bCg/26AJzKGviiR6uM0wxtZRRCf1ZZjZJo1WN6tUY8wIFLyAPvVZv8pHmFyQWT2312hb URdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyM4sTdmGcVR0ztuY52dySMy8a+om5B+ThSoHARC6HGyNIXO0T4 fouBJHAKfHmljjk4fkuAcpmMeBtEd5R5oApIYDWIHa7eJQcLkecxWgJoPWOUChtjb1VP7iXVc51 HaYikTsFhowevuHT+WRreQSrb0OkyJw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHEdTNWjIHYExASNaLRAt7nVdIWv1AQTxzfutrJJD6WrjcqQdTJMbO5XUKnHOZ3g8Y6FkzZRUn++36HrbSZB+E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:1652:b0:82a:242d:e0c7 with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-82a242de1acmr164763639f.9.1724991400328; Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:16:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Gryphon Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:16:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: N2414T W&B issue / compass card revision required To: DAP AERO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a847b50620dedb01" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 X-Spam-Score: -31 X-Spam-Bar: --- X-Spam-Flag: NO --000000000000a847b50620dedb01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So you know, if you are flying with the wheel pants off, the signed W&B report carried on board the aircraft must correspond. > is the ADSB receiver the one listed in the attached west aviation document? No. It appears the plane was re-weighed in 2013. It also appears that a SV-ADSB-470 (not -472) was originally installed in 2013 per West Air before that re-weighing. It was removed at some point with no logbook entry that I can find, and replaced with a SV-ADSB-472 in 2019. Those are probably very similar in weight and may have been installed in the same location, but I have no way of knowing for sure :-/ The 2017 W&B report we have from 2017 is not based on the 2013 re-weigh, it is based on a missing (meaning, I can't find it) earlier 2017 W&B report. Or so it says. I can create a new W&B report to match the aircraft's current configuration. If you put the wheel pants back on, make an airframe logbook entry and calculate a new W&B report. When a previous W&B is referenced instead of a re-weigh, all the superceded reports going back to the re-weigh are required to be in the aircraft records. ( They should be in any case, but most definitely if a revised report is based on calculations using a previous report's weight & C.G. as a starting point ) --Gryphon On Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 20:17 DAP AERO wrote: > That is the most recent w&b I have. > > I have included the w&b after the dynon was installed. > > I was told the engine / prop swap were equivalent and did not require a > new W&B from the 2017. But that may have just been laziness. I doubt the > plane has ever been weighed since it was new. > > Same with the gps receiver which goes back to the dynon installation and > then exchanged for the 2020 upgraded version. The two are the same size > and weight so no w&b change. > > is the ADSB receiver the one listed in the attached west aviation documen= t? > > Sometimes I fly with the pants off and sometimes on but they should remai= n > in the w&b. The W&B has them on going back to the original. So if you do= a > new w&b from scratch, please add in the pants. > > You are correct, it does not have an updated w&b after I changed the tail > number. > > Thanks > Craig > > > > On Aug 29, 2024, at 6:47=E2=80=AFPM, Gryphon (LebanAir Aviation) < > gryphon.lebanair@gmail.com> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Craig, > > There is a W&B report in the binder in the aircraft, however it is not > valid. > > That report is from 2017 for tail number N629BV; it does not include know= n > additions to the aircraft subsequent to that W&B report. > > It is unclear if the 2017 report is for the aircraft configured with whee= l > pants installed (it is unclear when they were removed without more combin= g > through the airframe log). The 2017 report reflects the removal of the > strobe power supply, and autopilot installation. > > However, there should have at least been a new W&B report from 2019 when > the engine was swapped out and the ADS-B receiver installed. > > It is unclear if the ADS-B receiver installed in October 2019 has an > accompanying Letter of Authorization, or for the GPS antenna installed in > August, both by Aircore Aviation. I could reach out to Jim Scott but I > know he shuttered Aircore... > > Were you able to locate a W&B report more recent than 2017? > > If not I see no alternative other than defueling the aircraft and > completely re-weighing it. > > Also, with the addition of a radio the compass card needs to be revised. > There isn't a compass rose at S30 ( I think the nearest is KCVO ) so I > propose using a GPS augmented compass app on my phone rather than flying > the aircraft to another airport & back. > > Let's plan on a Sunday morning pickup rather than Saturday afternoon so I > have additional time for re-weighing, re-doing the compass card, etc. > > Gryphon McArthur > West Coast Sport Aircraft, Inc > dba LebanAir Aviation > Phone: 541-258-5029 > http://www.lebanair.com/ > > --000000000000a847b50620dedb01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So you know, if you are flying with the wheel pants off, = the signed W&B report carried on board the aircraft must correspond.
> is the ADSB receiver the on= e listed in the attached west aviation document?

=
No.

It appears the plane was re-weighed in 2013.=C2=A0 It also appears that= =C2=A0 a SV-ADSB-470 (not -472) was originally installed in 2013 per West A= ir before that re-weighing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It was removed at some point with n= o logbook entry that I can find, and replaced with a SV-ADSB-472 in 2019.= =C2=A0 Those are probably very similar in weight and may have been installe= d in the same location, but I have no way of knowing for sure :-/

The 2017 W&B report we have f= rom 2017 is not based on the 2013 re-weigh, it is based on a missing (meani= ng, I can't find it) earlier 2017 W&B report.=C2=A0 Or so it says.= =C2=A0=C2=A0

I can creat= e a new W&B report to match the aircraft's current configuration.= =C2=A0 If you put the wheel pants back on, make an airframe logbook entry a= nd calculate a new W&B report.

When a previous W&B is referenced instead of a re-weigh, all= the superceded reports going back to the re-weigh are required to be in th= e aircraft records.=C2=A0 ( They should be in any case, but most definitely= if a revised report is based on calculations using a previous report's= weight & C.G. as a starting point )

<= div dir=3D"auto">--Gryphon

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024, 20:17 DAP = AERO <craig@dapaero.com> wro= te:
That is the most recent w&= ;b I have.

I have included= the w&b after the dynon was installed.

I was told the engine / prop swap were equivalent and did= not require a new W&B from the 2017.=C2=A0 But that may have just been= laziness. I doubt the plane has ever been weighed since it was new.
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Same with the gps receiver which= goes back to the dynon installation and then exchanged for the 2020 upgrad= ed version.=C2=A0 The two are the same size and weight so no w&b change= .

is the ADSB receiver the= one listed in the attached west aviation document?
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Sometimes I fly with the pants off and sometimes = on but they should remain in the w&b. The W&B has them on going bac= k to the original.=C2=A0 So if you do a new w&b from scratch, please ad= d in the pants.

You are co= rrect, it does not have an updated w&b after I changed the tail number.=

Thanks
Craig



On Aug 29, 2024, at 6:47=E2=80=AFPM, Gryphon (LebanAir Aviation) <gryphon.lebanair@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi Cr= aig,

There is a W&B report in the binder in th= e aircraft, however it is not valid.

That report i= s from 2017 for tail number N629BV; it does not include known additions to = the aircraft subsequent to that W&B report.

It= is unclear if the=C2=A02017 report is for the aircraft=C2=A0configured wit= h wheel pants installed (it is unclear when they were removed without more = combing through the airframe log).=C2=A0 The 2017 report reflects the remov= al of the strobe power supply, and autopilot installation.

However, there should have at least been a new W&B report from= 2019 when the engine was swapped out and the ADS-B receiver installed.

It is unclear if the ADS-B receiver installed in Octo= ber 2019 has an accompanying Letter of Authorization, or for the GPS antenn= a installed in August, both by Aircore Aviation.=C2=A0 I could reach out to= Jim Scott but I know he shuttered Aircore...

Were= you able to locate a W&B report more recent=C2=A0than 2017?
=
If not I see no alternative other than defueling the aircraf= t and completely re-weighing it.

Also, with the ad= dition of a radio the compass card needs to be revised.=C2=A0 There isn'= ;t a compass rose at S30 ( I think the nearest is KCVO ) so I propose using= a GPS augmented compass app on my phone rather than flying the aircraft to= another airport & back.

Let's plan on a S= unday morning pickup rather than Saturday afternoon so I have additional ti= me for re-weighing, re-doing the compass card, etc.

Gryphon McArthur
West Coast Sport Aircraft, = Inc
dba LebanAir Aviation
Phone: 541-2= 58-5029

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